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Monday, March 2, 2015

Maloof Rocker - The Real Seat: Fitting Legs & Seat Glue-up

Test Piece Joint Gap
If you remember the mockup had a problem with some gaps in the rear leg joint.  Now that I had test pieces I could work out a method of getting smooth transitions.  First attempt was to run the bits into the corner stopping there which did not work.  After close examination and some measuring I found that the over cut was a result of the different diameters for each of the bits.  The straight bit has a consistent diameter of 1” while the tapered bits diameter varies based on the depth of cut.

The fix for a smooth transition is to stop the larger diameter bit short of the interior corner.  For the top .06” did the trick and on the bottom .04” worked.  For a thickness gauge I used playing cards which are right at .01” thick each so a stack of 4 or 6 cards taped in place did the trick.  I also darkened in the initial corner radius cut with a pencil so I could gauge how the stopped cut worked for the transition.  This photo shows the pencil mark cut away in a smooth curve.  It also shows all the notes I made to myself on the piece so I use the right bits and spacers in the right places.  I am a great believer in writing on pieces to assure correct cuts.
Using Playing Cards as Spacers


At this point in the mock-up I glued the seat together.  However, this time I decided to rearrange the sequence to fit the rear legs to the rear leg joints prior to glue up.  I did this so if any hand work is needed I would not be working with the whole seat.  Also, if adjustment with a router is needed I could not do that once the seat pieces are glued together.  The rear legs and arms just happen to be cut from the same piece so the first step is to cut the legs out with the bandsaw. 
Bandsawn Rear Legs
To make sure the legs are in proper registration and in the same plane when mated to the seat I used one of the jigs I had made to cut matching faces on the legs.

Jig to Cut Rear Leg to Seat Reference Plane


More marking on each rear leg since they will be a mirrored set and I did not want to end up with two left legs!

The front legs are square to the seat so they are the same, that is no left and right.  I cut two square blanks to the length, width and thickness needed setting them aside for later.

Measuring Seat Tenon Thickness
The legs have a mortise and tenon joint with the tenon half on the seat.  My next step is to measure the width of tenon and cut the mortise just a smidge wider.  With the tenons all measuring right at .87” I decided to shoot for .88”.

With the mirrored legs and angled mortise I could not make the cut in multiple passes so I had to assemble a stack of dados to match my desired .88" cut width.  Here is what I used to make the cut: the left and right 1/8” outside blades, four 1/8” chippers, one 3/32” chipper and two .02” shims.  My test cut came out at .879”, close enough.
Dado Blades Used to Cut Seat Joints in Legs


One of the dados is at 5 degrees to match the tenon and the other is square with the mounting face.  I used the 5 degree jig to set the fence, one setup for left and another for the right leg.  For the square tenon I had to use a jig that held the mounting face square with the dado blade because the leg is curved.
Table Saw Setup to Cut a Dado

A run through the router table using a ½” radius bit matches the legs to the 1” diameter router cuts on the seat, well almost.  Because of that pesky 5 degree angle the leg does not exactly fit into the radiused corner of the rear seat joint.  This is where I get into some hand fitting.  I could see the gap but because it was inside the joint could not see where to remove material.  To find where the high spots are I use a soft pencil to mark up the inside of the joint then clamped the leg in place.  When I took it apart the high spots on the seat left pencil lead on the leg.
Pencil Mark on Top Piece Shows High Point to Trim

Now all I had to do was match the lead on the leg to where it came from on the seat, trim the joint and repeat until the leg and seat fit.

The front leg blanks are next and for now just get a dado cut on three sides and a radius routed on the two interior corners.

Finally everything is ready to glue up the seat!  Seat pieces, yep – dowels, yep – glue, yep – mallet, yep – clamps, yep – plastic so I don’t get glue all over the workbench, yep.

Ten minutes later it’s all glued together and set aside until tomorrow.

Yes, I did check to see if the outside pieces were flat and they were.


Next Up – The Real Seat: Bandsaw and Hollowing

6 comments:

  1. Thanks, Dave, once again your blog helped me out early in my practice cutting and routing the Maloof joints on some construction lumber. I ran into the same mismatch of the router profiles from the different bits as you mention above. It took me a day in the shop to get this dialed in. I used your playing card trick, but found your configuration didn't work for me. Oddly enough, I had to use the .06"shim on the underside and the .04" shim on the top. Additionally, for the top shim, I had to mount it on the 90º edge rather than on the canted edge as for the underside. Like you, I made copious notes on my test pieces and photographed them so I'll have all this at my fingertips when I start in on the cherry.

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  2. Glad my hair pulling experiences are helping you out. I do remember that getting a precise perfect (almost) fit did take a lot longer than I thought it should. That said once done they did work and look seamless. I may be wrong but it sounds like you are doing the construction lumber chair first. That will work but I worked the two chairs mostly in tandem so procedures and methods were fresh in my mind when I did the real one.

    One thing that you may not have got to yet is a problem with the seat to rear leg connection. The plans seem to be in error as the seat was about ¼” short of matching up with the leg. I did a workaround but if you have not yet cut the seat out for your cherry rocker please take a look at the April 27, 2015 posting where I go into the problem and my fix. I believe that just making the seat a little longer would be a better fix.

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  3. Actually, Dave, I'm proceeding pretty much as you did, finishing one operation on construction lumber, and when satisfied, doing the same on the cherry. I did go through 2 "cheap seats" before diving into the cherry. All's going well and I'm to the point where the arms are cut out and I'm shaping the spindles. I'd send some photos but can't figure how to do it through this blog engine.

    Tim

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  4. One of the reasons I ended up making 2 practice seats was because of that discrepancy between Scott's seat template and the measurements he uses in the video. When I took care to align the template flush with the back of the dry-clamped seat, and then ripped the outside of the outer boards flush with the widest part of the template, the template and video measurements were very close, and the back of the seat was nearly flush with the rear legs at the Maloof joint, thus avoiding the issue you detailed in the 4/27/15 posting.

    Thanks for leading the way.
    Tim

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  5. Tim, I would love to see progress photos of your build and am glad that you didn’t end up with the seat length problem. If you want to send the photos to the email linked to this blog at ThisOldSpouse74@gmail.com that would work.

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